no, the point is that genocide will always continue and the cycle will never end – media literacy in shambles op lol
searing123 on
Eren should have used a meteor instead of titans. The giant meteor 65 million years ago had no issue genociding the dinosaurs.
Nijindia18 on
No man the point is that you can torture people and attempt genocide and be the objectively biggest villain for a while in the show, justifiably so, openly say you’d do it again, go dormant for a few years, and suddenly you deserve a happy ending for doing all but nothing but tagging along the resistance.
Meanwhile the person who actually lamented his actions of genocide gets his head lopped off. Not saying genocide is good but when one character is punished and the other is rewarded or actively overlooked, no that is **not** the mangas message. It was poorly written and anyone with actual media literacy can see that lmao
Far_Country_3852 on
which means the rumbling was for nothing
AnotherLyfe1 on
Ofcourse genocide doesn’t work if you do it half heartedly. If he fully committed, it would have worked out but ofcourse with all the pre written future bs, he was cucked from the start thanks to that slavery humiliation fetish chick.
The_Colt_Cult on
I think a lot of the people who initially said this were going purely off of the manga’s ending, which originally showed Paradis roughly 100 years or so after the Rumbling getting destroyed. This is a major change in the anime, which shows Paradis surviving for much, much longer.
The reason this distinction is important is because of the Rumbling’s relevance. Anime Paradis was presumably hundreds upon hundreds of years into the future, which means the Rumbling was more of a distant historical event than a relevant one. Manga Paradis, however, was only a hundred years, give or take, away from the Rumbling. This means that Paradis being destroyed in the manga could’ve been retaliation for the Rumbling, since the world could’ve recovered and the Rumbling was still relatively fresh in-mind.
It was a good change for the anime.
seriouslyacrit on
The anime kinda made the message clearer:
Even if peace is achieved by force and genocide, people will eventually find the slightest reason to hate each other and destroy themselves. The only sustainable solution is to let go of the cycle of hatred before it spills more blood on everyone’s hands.
LordIndica on
OP, you are desperately trying to get a bunch of dipshits that are not reading any deeper subtext in this story than “damn, eren is so cool, get ’em cool bro, become titan hokage” to acknowledge a narrative that explicitly set-up it’s main character to be a villain in a politcal climate that explicitly portrays a rise of facist nationalism. That is waaaay to complex a sell for these mouth-breathers whining that their little MC should have killed the world. They are literally too stupid to comprehend this story when most folks can’t even recognize the toxic forces of nationalism and fascist thought in the real world. Like the heel-turn of “eren isn’t the hero, he is the antagonist” just somehow never registered to these chucklefucks, because again, they are not reading this story critically. The idea that the story was showing the readers how readily characters AND READERS are ready to follow a fascist like Eren is an incredible theme to work with and most folks just genuinely did not understand that Eren was not the one the story or the author is expecting you to root for. You would think with AoT practically shouting it into the readers face would have been enough, but this being an anime/manga our demographic of viewers is just that much more out-of-touch with reality.
Because these folks are all the Erens in this world, little dipshit yeagerists. Thousands and thousands of dipshit Erens and yeagerists that cannot even begin to comprehend that Eren was, from start to finish of the story, not a good person nor the hero of the story and whose entire character was being waved around as a red flag while Isayama shouted “this dude is literally the exemplar of all the problems preventing a better tomorrow for humanity all wrapped in the guise of a sympathetic shounen protagonist”, and like the yeagerists in the story these readers just mindlessly fell in line behind yelena and floch and their little cult leader.
Like… there are so, so many scenes i can point to that show such explicit portrayals of what the moral of the story is, and folks just seem to deliberately ignore them in the face of their immense butt-hurt that their lord and savior Eren didnt “win” his battle. The story explicitly saying that Armin is the Savior of Humanity and the example of the kind of person that should actually lead humanity into the future (both literally having Hange spell it out and also thematically with him becoming the leader of the Scouting Legion, something that Eren does not become) is just a completely ignored aspect of the story.
You are never convincing these people to actually think harder about AoT. If you are typing at a moron arguing the Rumbling was “for nothing” without finishing the job, don’t bother because they are just dipshit yeagerists, and just like the yeagerists IN THE ACTUAL STORY they will continue to mindlessly support a fascist after he is dead and gone and shown to be nothing more than a fucking angry, confused, scared, radicalized young man that from the age 8 could stab a man to death without remorse or emotion and constantly turned to violence first and foremost to make changes in the world.
HollowWarrior46 on
The thing is stopping the rumbling left Paradis in peace for several years, enough for several generations to pass. Stopping war eternally wasn’t the point, Eren just wanted to make sure his friends could live out their lives without fighting anymore.
Besides, I think it sends an important message; everything we saw was just another footnote in history. The beliefs and events that seemed to important to us were just something in the past to those in the future who went to fighting again. Humanity forgets and fights eternally, and the best we can do is to try and hold ourselves up for as long as possible
Witchy_Venus on
I thought Eren’s true goal was only to protect Armin and Mikasa?
hvictorino on
Well, only didn’t work because they didn’t let him finish it though.
BussyDestroyerV30 on
It works, just need a little bit more titans
ezluk97 on
Yeah, keep yapping about “we don’t read the same manga”. Opinion rejected.
Saturn_Ecplise on
The only reason you need the rumbling is because it looks cool in manga panels, there is absolutely no logic plot reason behind it.
Mo-Lester9189 on
Yeah it’s a good thing Armin didn’t thanked Eren for doing a mass global genocide on 80% of all living beings in the manga otherwise it would have been horrible
Maybe if that pussy actually went through with it and killed off everyone instead of 80% of the population, shit would’ve been slightly different.
gohanson2 on
The message is that 20% of world population is fucking enormous compare to your country so either you commit to it 100% or don’t fucking do it at all. Also Armin pull the 80% statistic out of his ass
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no, the point is that genocide will always continue and the cycle will never end – media literacy in shambles op lol
Eren should have used a meteor instead of titans. The giant meteor 65 million years ago had no issue genociding the dinosaurs.
No man the point is that you can torture people and attempt genocide and be the objectively biggest villain for a while in the show, justifiably so, openly say you’d do it again, go dormant for a few years, and suddenly you deserve a happy ending for doing all but nothing but tagging along the resistance.
Meanwhile the person who actually lamented his actions of genocide gets his head lopped off. Not saying genocide is good but when one character is punished and the other is rewarded or actively overlooked, no that is **not** the mangas message. It was poorly written and anyone with actual media literacy can see that lmao
which means the rumbling was for nothing
Ofcourse genocide doesn’t work if you do it half heartedly. If he fully committed, it would have worked out but ofcourse with all the pre written future bs, he was cucked from the start thanks to that slavery humiliation fetish chick.
I think a lot of the people who initially said this were going purely off of the manga’s ending, which originally showed Paradis roughly 100 years or so after the Rumbling getting destroyed. This is a major change in the anime, which shows Paradis surviving for much, much longer.
The reason this distinction is important is because of the Rumbling’s relevance. Anime Paradis was presumably hundreds upon hundreds of years into the future, which means the Rumbling was more of a distant historical event than a relevant one. Manga Paradis, however, was only a hundred years, give or take, away from the Rumbling. This means that Paradis being destroyed in the manga could’ve been retaliation for the Rumbling, since the world could’ve recovered and the Rumbling was still relatively fresh in-mind.
It was a good change for the anime.
The anime kinda made the message clearer:
Even if peace is achieved by force and genocide, people will eventually find the slightest reason to hate each other and destroy themselves. The only sustainable solution is to let go of the cycle of hatred before it spills more blood on everyone’s hands.
OP, you are desperately trying to get a bunch of dipshits that are not reading any deeper subtext in this story than “damn, eren is so cool, get ’em cool bro, become titan hokage” to acknowledge a narrative that explicitly set-up it’s main character to be a villain in a politcal climate that explicitly portrays a rise of facist nationalism. That is waaaay to complex a sell for these mouth-breathers whining that their little MC should have killed the world. They are literally too stupid to comprehend this story when most folks can’t even recognize the toxic forces of nationalism and fascist thought in the real world. Like the heel-turn of “eren isn’t the hero, he is the antagonist” just somehow never registered to these chucklefucks, because again, they are not reading this story critically. The idea that the story was showing the readers how readily characters AND READERS are ready to follow a fascist like Eren is an incredible theme to work with and most folks just genuinely did not understand that Eren was not the one the story or the author is expecting you to root for. You would think with AoT practically shouting it into the readers face would have been enough, but this being an anime/manga our demographic of viewers is just that much more out-of-touch with reality.
Because these folks are all the Erens in this world, little dipshit yeagerists. Thousands and thousands of dipshit Erens and yeagerists that cannot even begin to comprehend that Eren was, from start to finish of the story, not a good person nor the hero of the story and whose entire character was being waved around as a red flag while Isayama shouted “this dude is literally the exemplar of all the problems preventing a better tomorrow for humanity all wrapped in the guise of a sympathetic shounen protagonist”, and like the yeagerists in the story these readers just mindlessly fell in line behind yelena and floch and their little cult leader.
Like… there are so, so many scenes i can point to that show such explicit portrayals of what the moral of the story is, and folks just seem to deliberately ignore them in the face of their immense butt-hurt that their lord and savior Eren didnt “win” his battle. The story explicitly saying that Armin is the Savior of Humanity and the example of the kind of person that should actually lead humanity into the future (both literally having Hange spell it out and also thematically with him becoming the leader of the Scouting Legion, something that Eren does not become) is just a completely ignored aspect of the story.
You are never convincing these people to actually think harder about AoT. If you are typing at a moron arguing the Rumbling was “for nothing” without finishing the job, don’t bother because they are just dipshit yeagerists, and just like the yeagerists IN THE ACTUAL STORY they will continue to mindlessly support a fascist after he is dead and gone and shown to be nothing more than a fucking angry, confused, scared, radicalized young man that from the age 8 could stab a man to death without remorse or emotion and constantly turned to violence first and foremost to make changes in the world.
The thing is stopping the rumbling left Paradis in peace for several years, enough for several generations to pass. Stopping war eternally wasn’t the point, Eren just wanted to make sure his friends could live out their lives without fighting anymore.
Besides, I think it sends an important message; everything we saw was just another footnote in history. The beliefs and events that seemed to important to us were just something in the past to those in the future who went to fighting again. Humanity forgets and fights eternally, and the best we can do is to try and hold ourselves up for as long as possible
I thought Eren’s true goal was only to protect Armin and Mikasa?
Well, only didn’t work because they didn’t let him finish it though.
It works, just need a little bit more titans
Yeah, keep yapping about “we don’t read the same manga”. Opinion rejected.
The only reason you need the rumbling is because it looks cool in manga panels, there is absolutely no logic plot reason behind it.
Yeah it’s a good thing Armin didn’t thanked Eren for doing a mass global genocide on 80% of all living beings in the manga otherwise it would have been horrible
https://preview.redd.it/0vcbazpk6zpd1.jpeg?width=561&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4b85659a2e16e36a5912c3b8df7083d11c593bec
Maybe if that pussy actually went through with it and killed off everyone instead of 80% of the population, shit would’ve been slightly different.
The message is that 20% of world population is fucking enormous compare to your country so either you commit to it 100% or don’t fucking do it at all. Also Armin pull the 80% statistic out of his ass